Tie goes to the incumbent
Due to a medical emergency in the Buckethead clan, Buckethead, Mrs. Buckethead and Sir John-the-actually-quite-well-behaved-in-the-car-considering-he's-been-in-a-car-seat-for-fifteen-hours lit out for the wilds of Massachusetts. As it turns out, all is well and Buckethead's beloved mother was sightseeing again two days after a heart attack thanks to the wonders of modern technology and the puissance of the Cape Cod Medical Center's staff.
So, unlike most of the politically addicted citizens of this great nation, we listened to the great debate on AM radio. No cable news, no cspan, nor even streaming interweb video. It was a challenge to create an accurate mental image of the debate. Where do I insert my mental jpeg of Kerry sticking his tongue out for maximum verisimilitude? Was Bush clenching his forehead or smirking as he made that comment? As of this moment, I have not seen any replays of the debate on TV, so my impressions are purely based on what I heard driving through the smelliest bits of Eastern PA in the rain.
I think that the debate was a draw - Kerry had more debating style fu, and scored a few hits. Bush was his typical aphasic self at times, but pulled out the heavy artillery on the flip-flopping. Here are some of thte things I was thinking during the debate:
- Kerry repeatedly said he'd do better, but failed to actually say how he'd do better. The very few times he actually offered specifics, it was something that the administration is already planning or doing. His theme for the debate seemed to be, "Anything you can do, I can do better." Armchair quarterbacking is a hell of a lot easier than actually throwing a pass in the big game. Something bloggers should be well aware of, btw.
- Is it just me, or was Kerry being hypocritical for bitching that we were insufficiently multilateral in Iraq, but then saying we should ditch the laboriously arranged six party talks in North Korea to go it alone?
- Mrs. Buckethead made the insightful comment as the debate was winding down that all of John Kerry's suggestions for defense policy revolve around the good wishes of others. Getting the French and the Germans to participate. UN approval. ICC. Summits. "Global Tests" for American use of military force. Those good wishes are far from guaranteed, especially in the case of the the axis of weasels and the UN. I really, really, really have a hard time believing that France would be willing, next January, to reverse their policy and send troops to Iraq, or share the costs of reconstruction just because John Kerry's phiz is staring back across the negotiating table. Which leaves us in the same situation, with the added bonus that an incoming president Kerry would have little goodwill from the allies we do have given what he has said of them so far.
- Kerry used a lot of his time attacking Bush. Bush used a lot of his time quoting Kerry to Kerry. I think Bush was more effective with his tactic.
Kerry needed to do something spectacular, or at least have Bush commit political seppuku, to have an effect on the larger campaign. Neither happened. Which leaves Kerry where he was, five to ten points behind in the polls. Four years ago, Al Gore deeply unimpressed the electorate with his debate performance, and it had an effect on the election. Here, a tie does nothing to gain Kerry back the ground he's lost since August. There is a chance that he may achieve something in the next two debates, but given that the Kerry campaign had settled on Iraq as "the" issue, this was their shot to change the dynamics of the race. The economy is steadily if slowly improving - and certainly not in the middle of a meltdown. Domestic policy is taking a back seat to the war on terror because of both reality and the decisions of campaign managers on both sides. I don't think Kerry supporters will have much to do but pray for Bush to screw up in some truly miraculous way, and evil genius Karl Rove will likely manage to prevent that.
As a side note, I have to say that the post debate conversation on AM radio was entirely pathetic. It left me with a craving for the blogosphere I stronger than I have ever felt. Compared to the jackassery running rampant over the AM dial, I would even have been happy watching Chris Matthews on Hardball. Callers to talk shows are almost universally ideologically driven incarnate talking points. Not one in ten actually said anything about the debate per se, instead merely repeating DNC and RNC party lines. Dreadful.
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I listened to it on the radio
I listened to it on the radio, and came to the same conclusion (tie, with edge to Bush). I wonder if listening, rather watching made a difference. Of course, the fact that we're both fairly conservative also probably has something to do with it.
Mapgirl:
Mapgirl:
I question just how much the GOP is courting the religious right. That they're doing so is (sorry) "gospel" on the left, but I don't see it. I'm at best ambivalent to the desires of the religious right, more likely mildly hostile, and I don't see the pandering to which you refer. Previous items here, such as the "Ban the Bible" scam, only indicate to me that the GOP is courting retards, just like the Dems do.
But, if the GOP is courting any extreme elements, I'd tell you two things: First, it's a losing electoral strategy, since the majority of the country does NOT fall into that category. Second, it's hand-in-glove with the Dems courting the far left, which is a failing policy for the same reason and represents a problem I've been concerned with for some time. I don't honestly believe that, taken as a whole, Americans really think that wildly differently than one another.
I picture the polity as being properly clustered around a wide center of the bell curve, and the spikes we presently see to the far left and far right as manufactured drama. Manufactured by whom? The two main parties. Why? Because one of them has taken a hard jaunt to the left in the past several elections. Action, reaction, stupidity.
What I'd say now is counter-intuitive, perhaps, to those who've read a lot of what I've said in the past year, and heresy to those who might have misread me: With a couple large quibbles, I didn't have too much of a problem with Clinton. Did the fact he was a Democrat trouble me? Not that I recall. Were his loose morals an issue? Mildly. Was he a polarizing figure? Only sometimes to some people, and never, really, to me. I publicly disclaim any hardline approach to party affiliation, because the results are what matter to me.
To make a long story a bit longer, I'd like to give a lot less of a shit whether someone's pushing hard left or hard right, and I'd like this blessed state to occur soon. Because everything else is not only antithetical to the needs and desires of the electorate, it's not even particularly amusing any longer.
Patton - One would think that
Patton - One would think that the Democratic Party would pick a worthy candidate that isn't incompetent, but I see your point. Am I that desperate to get W out of office? Yes, almost. Not to get all femi-nazi here, but the Republican Party is losing a lot of middle of the road women voters who are scared to death at how much the GOP is courting the religious right. I was a Republican for rather Machiavellan reasons in college, but Bob Dole lost me when he made a pact with the devil, er, Ralph Reed.
I wish I could say that I was impressed by the performance of both candidates, but that's really asking me how low can my expectations of Bush go?
Thank god your mom is ok!
Thank god your mom is ok!
I've read Mapgirl's comments
I've read Mapgirl's comments @ Livejournal, and don't disagree with those that relate to style and comportment, although we disagree on the "Anyone but W", since that could refer to all sorts of incompetents, including, well, Kerry. But never mind that - the discussion on how to conduct oneself in a debate was spot-on. (I was a debater in high-school, though not in college, and have some experience in proper comportment in such situations, which I'll save for another, more humorous opportunity)
Agreed completely, BH, on callers to AM radio shows: Ta-ra-ra-goon-dee-yays, pretty much to a man or woman.
I thought the debate was a draw, at best, and was impressed by both candidates' performance. This is not the same as saying they performed equally, it's normed based on my expectations.
Not so oddly, I was unimpressed by Kerry's naive comments about getting more buy in internationally, all the while urinating on those who've already become involved. The best response I've seen to the logical absurdity is at [url=http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/04/0904/100104.html]Lileks[/url] and for anyone with an interest in the matter, regardless of predispositions, I'd recommend reading it.